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		<title>By: Religulous? Really? &#171; Kreitsauce&#8217;s Musings</title>
		<link>http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/was-hitler-a-christian-is-nazism-similar-to-christianity/#comment-3505</link>
		<dc:creator>Religulous? Really? &#171; Kreitsauce&#8217;s Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or reduced to an impotent form. And, of course, they are more than willing to bring out examples. Hitler, in their view, was religious- maybe even a Christian. David Berkowitz, the infamous serial killer, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steynian 366 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steynian 366 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of lesson everyone who reads my blog must learn. Never accept any moral statement made by an atheist. Always challenge them to explain the foundations of morality, and whether those foundations are grounded by their worldview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of lesson everyone who reads my blog must learn. Never accept any moral statement made by an atheist. Always challenge them to explain the foundations of morality, and whether those foundations are grounded by their worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: Canbuhay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canbuhay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is when atheists complain that Hitler was a Christian? I say so what, was Hitler evil? And as an atheist, how do they know what evil is?

I had a conversation about this just a month or so ago - very frustrating. A guy who used to be Catholic blaming God for the genocide in the Old Testament and compared it to genocide during the Holocaust. I simply asked him why genocide is wrong and he couldn&#039;t answer.

I don&#039;t understand how this becomes an argument that becomes such a stumbling block to people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is when atheists complain that Hitler was a Christian? I say so what, was Hitler evil? And as an atheist, how do they know what evil is?</p>
<p>I had a conversation about this just a month or so ago &#8211; very frustrating. A guy who used to be Catholic blaming God for the genocide in the Old Testament and compared it to genocide during the Holocaust. I simply asked him why genocide is wrong and he couldn&#8217;t answer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how this becomes an argument that becomes such a stumbling block to people.</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! Apologetics works better when people listen to you, then run off and read books and watch debates to see if what you are saying is true. I could still make a case with illiterate people, but it won&#039;t work as well because they can&#039;t be convinced unless they can go and check it out for themselves on their own time, in their own library, and in discussions with their own family and friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Apologetics works better when people listen to you, then run off and read books and watch debates to see if what you are saying is true. I could still make a case with illiterate people, but it won&#8217;t work as well because they can&#8217;t be convinced unless they can go and check it out for themselves on their own time, in their own library, and in discussions with their own family and friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;ll have to understand India is totally different from the US of any western state. I mean, not just the geographical difference, but the social, cultural differences. 

Lets just say, we take the example of Orissa. What exactly happened there was that, there were 2 tribal groups. They, both of them, were completely backward, most importantly in education. The rich upper class people, used these people almost as slaves and never allowed them progress in the society. That&#039;s when a Christian missionary group (Catholic, from the reports I&#039;ve read) intervened and offered them education and medical facilities. One of the tribal groups, willfully just took up Christianity and started progressing socially. Now that was a big hindrance to upper class, and they turned the other tribal group against them using Hindu fundamental groups. This is what actually happened.

Now from what I said, you&#039;d know there was no apologetic involved. They were dealing with uneducated people. In most parts of India, this is exactly what happens. Truth be told, there&#039;s not much of apologetic in India, at all. And as for you suggestion, that opposite groups would accept if you give them evidence, you are talking about literate people aren&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;ll have to understand India is totally different from the US of any western state. I mean, not just the geographical difference, but the social, cultural differences. </p>
<p>Lets just say, we take the example of Orissa. What exactly happened there was that, there were 2 tribal groups. They, both of them, were completely backward, most importantly in education. The rich upper class people, used these people almost as slaves and never allowed them progress in the society. That&#8217;s when a Christian missionary group (Catholic, from the reports I&#8217;ve read) intervened and offered them education and medical facilities. One of the tribal groups, willfully just took up Christianity and started progressing socially. Now that was a big hindrance to upper class, and they turned the other tribal group against them using Hindu fundamental groups. This is what actually happened.</p>
<p>Now from what I said, you&#8217;d know there was no apologetic involved. They were dealing with uneducated people. In most parts of India, this is exactly what happens. Truth be told, there&#8217;s not much of apologetic in India, at all. And as for you suggestion, that opposite groups would accept if you give them evidence, you are talking about literate people aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t think there is anything I would like more, but I don&#039;t want to impose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t think there is anything I would like more, but I don&#8217;t want to impose.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the apologetics question, that&#039;s another big issue. You really want me to explain what happens here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the apologetics question, that&#8217;s another big issue. You really want me to explain what happens here?</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t apologize. I am only trying to encourage you to be more persuasive!


&lt;blockquote&gt;(Honestly, I think they oppose it only to have stand which is opposite to that of Congress).&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Ha! LOL!

My Indian co-workers tell me that there are no principled debates about economic policy in India. I tell them that there are no principled debates about economic policy in the USA, except on right-wing talk radio and in private conversations. Our journalists are completely ignorant, and our political debates are a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t apologize. I am only trying to encourage you to be more persuasive!</p>
<blockquote><p>(Honestly, I think they oppose it only to have stand which is opposite to that of Congress).</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha! LOL!</p>
<p>My Indian co-workers tell me that there are no principled debates about economic policy in India. I tell them that there are no principled debates about economic policy in the USA, except on right-wing talk radio and in private conversations. Our journalists are completely ignorant, and our political debates are a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry. Next time I&#039;ll ensure to mention a proper source to my claims. The problem is all that I state here is from leading Indian journals and I just mention them off hand. I can find the links, I hope they are authentic enough for you. Here&#039;s where I picked that up: http://www.hinduonnet.com/2009/04/15/stories/2009041555871100.htm

As for the definition of left-right in India, in economic terms they are quite unclear to a common Indian. I mean, I don&#039;t think the BJP can be truly considered as a fiscal conservative. That&#039;s because as I mentioned earlier India has a majority rural population which requires populist schemes like loan waivers and the likes, which the BJP would never oppose. This has got more to do with their Hindu ideologies.

I don&#039;t know whether you might know that the Congress in India started as a Socialist party. India had cordial relationships with the Soviet Union, and the Congress basically endorsed Soviet propaganda. As a matter of fact, India never got along with the US. Pakistan bought their F16s from US while we bought our MiG24s from Russia. It was only when Manmohan Singh, our current PM, took over as India&#039;s Finance Minister that India embraced free markets. FYI, Congress is for free market capitalism whilst BJP is against it(Honestly, I think they oppose it only to have stand which is opposite to that of Congress).

To tell the truth, both parties&#039; economic policies have never been quite clear to the common man, and I seriously doubt a hungry farmer would have ever cared to know. It&#039;s in Indian villages that the elections are won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry. Next time I&#8217;ll ensure to mention a proper source to my claims. The problem is all that I state here is from leading Indian journals and I just mention them off hand. I can find the links, I hope they are authentic enough for you. Here&#8217;s where I picked that up: <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/2009/04/15/stories/2009041555871100.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hinduonnet.com/2009/04/15/stories/2009041555871100.htm</a></p>
<p>As for the definition of left-right in India, in economic terms they are quite unclear to a common Indian. I mean, I don&#8217;t think the BJP can be truly considered as a fiscal conservative. That&#8217;s because as I mentioned earlier India has a majority rural population which requires populist schemes like loan waivers and the likes, which the BJP would never oppose. This has got more to do with their Hindu ideologies.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether you might know that the Congress in India started as a Socialist party. India had cordial relationships with the Soviet Union, and the Congress basically endorsed Soviet propaganda. As a matter of fact, India never got along with the US. Pakistan bought their F16s from US while we bought our MiG24s from Russia. It was only when Manmohan Singh, our current PM, took over as India&#8217;s Finance Minister that India embraced free markets. FYI, Congress is for free market capitalism whilst BJP is against it(Honestly, I think they oppose it only to have stand which is opposite to that of Congress).</p>
<p>To tell the truth, both parties&#8217; economic policies have never been quite clear to the common man, and I seriously doubt a hungry farmer would have ever cared to know. It&#8217;s in Indian villages that the elections are won.</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Shalini, I did a search to see find some evidence of what you wrote and found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2004/03/07/indias_tribal_schools_are_questioned/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;this Boston Globe article&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

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&lt;blockquote&gt;But human rights organizations in the eastern state of Orissa, which has the lowest per capital income in India, say the students are unwitting players in a political experiment driven by ancient Indian hatreds and partly funded by donors from the United States.

They say the schools, run by India&#039;s foremost Hindu nationalist organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, are indoctrinating students with a militant version of &quot;Hindutva&quot; (literally, Hinduness): hatred of Muslims and Christians and a desire to turn India into a Hindu state, using violence if necessary.

The National Council for Educational Research and Training in New Delhi, the government body that evaluates teaching materials, said the schools&#039; curriculum is &quot;designed to promote bigotry and religious fanaticism&quot; and has asked state governments to prevent the publishing and use of RSS textbooks.

Yet the RSS and its allies, collectively called the Sangh Parivar, say they have enrolled more than 5 million students in about 30,000 Hindu religious schools across India.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Sounds like Muslim madrassas, only for Hindus! Scary. I should write a post about this. It does seem like there are some parallels between Hindutva and Nazism. For example, they are both nationalist. I wonder if Hindutva teaches socialism (government control of the economy) as well?

If you want to say more about it, please remember to include a citation from a respected source!

Also, can you explain to me why they are calling this group the Hindu right? It seems to me that to be on the right-wing, you need to believe in free market capitalism and fundamental human liberties and rights. On the left, you find socialism and government control that that can violate fundamental rights and liberties. This is something else I need to post on - what does right and left mean? People may think that I am a nationalist because I am patriotic, but I am actually a globalist - I believe in free trade between nations. I am a global capitalist! The opposite of national socialist!

I also wonder whether apologetics is widespread in India among Christians, or whether they are just preaching without evidence. One way to curb the rage of people towards your side is to hold a fair debate with people on the other side and to engage them and let them see the evidence of what you believe. This is what the first Christians did when they were being persecuted by the pagan, polytheistic Roman empire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Shalini, I did a search to see find some evidence of what you wrote and found <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2004/03/07/indias_tribal_schools_are_questioned/" rel="nofollow"><b>this Boston Globe article</b></a>.</p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>But human rights organizations in the eastern state of Orissa, which has the lowest per capital income in India, say the students are unwitting players in a political experiment driven by ancient Indian hatreds and partly funded by donors from the United States.</p>
<p>They say the schools, run by India&#8217;s foremost Hindu nationalist organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, are indoctrinating students with a militant version of &#8220;Hindutva&#8221; (literally, Hinduness): hatred of Muslims and Christians and a desire to turn India into a Hindu state, using violence if necessary.</p>
<p>The National Council for Educational Research and Training in New Delhi, the government body that evaluates teaching materials, said the schools&#8217; curriculum is &#8220;designed to promote bigotry and religious fanaticism&#8221; and has asked state governments to prevent the publishing and use of RSS textbooks.</p>
<p>Yet the RSS and its allies, collectively called the Sangh Parivar, say they have enrolled more than 5 million students in about 30,000 Hindu religious schools across India.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like Muslim madrassas, only for Hindus! Scary. I should write a post about this. It does seem like there are some parallels between Hindutva and Nazism. For example, they are both nationalist. I wonder if Hindutva teaches socialism (government control of the economy) as well?</p>
<p>If you want to say more about it, please remember to include a citation from a respected source!</p>
<p>Also, can you explain to me why they are calling this group the Hindu right? It seems to me that to be on the right-wing, you need to believe in free market capitalism and fundamental human liberties and rights. On the left, you find socialism and government control that that can violate fundamental rights and liberties. This is something else I need to post on &#8211; what does right and left mean? People may think that I am a nationalist because I am patriotic, but I am actually a globalist &#8211; I believe in free trade between nations. I am a global capitalist! The opposite of national socialist!</p>
<p>I also wonder whether apologetics is widespread in India among Christians, or whether they are just preaching without evidence. One way to curb the rage of people towards your side is to hold a fair debate with people on the other side and to engage them and let them see the evidence of what you believe. This is what the first Christians did when they were being persecuted by the pagan, polytheistic Roman empire.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitler was not a Christian because everything he did was diametrically opposite to what being a Christian is all about. Nazism is the complete antithesis of Christianity. One could say that with or without the knowledge of his political stand though knowing it certainly helps. It always irks me when people point out he was an alter boy in the Church. As if, that is the biggest identity of being a Christian!! All they care is if you have Christian name, you are a Christian. For such people &#039;Joseph&#039; Stalin is a Christian too. So is &#039;Robert&#039; Mugabe.  

You know what I find really strange is that the RSS (a fundamental Hindu organization in India) preaches Nazism in the schools run by that organization and says they should adopt similar methods to obliterate Muslims and Christians from India. Oh and of course, Hitler IS a Christian, in their text books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitler was not a Christian because everything he did was diametrically opposite to what being a Christian is all about. Nazism is the complete antithesis of Christianity. One could say that with or without the knowledge of his political stand though knowing it certainly helps. It always irks me when people point out he was an alter boy in the Church. As if, that is the biggest identity of being a Christian!! All they care is if you have Christian name, you are a Christian. For such people &#8216;Joseph&#8217; Stalin is a Christian too. So is &#8216;Robert&#8217; Mugabe.  </p>
<p>You know what I find really strange is that the RSS (a fundamental Hindu organization in India) preaches Nazism in the schools run by that organization and says they should adopt similar methods to obliterate Muslims and Christians from India. Oh and of course, Hitler IS a Christian, in their text books.</p>
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