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	<title>Comments on: MUST-SEE: Steven Crowder&#8217;s undercover expose of single-payer health care in Canada!</title>
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		<title>By: Roundup &#171; 4Simpsons Blog &#8211; Eternity Matters</title>
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		<description>[...] health care video has been around a lot but it is definitely worth watching.  And see the Wintery Knight&#8217;s comments as well (he is from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Crowder was saying that Americans THINK that you get free drugs in Canada, but drugs are not part of the single-payer system in Canada at all. I think they are in the NHS, and there people are regularly denied expensive drugs, even if they have paid into the system much more than other people.

This is the part that scared me:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Men of a certain age (in Ontario and British Columbia) have to pay out of pocket for a PSA test (prostate), while women get free PAP smears and mammograms (hey, no gender bias here — wink, wink).
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Obama is in the tank for his special interests. We have a billion-dollar Violence Against Women Act, and NO violence against men act. Even though the rates of domestic violence are about equal in government studies conducted in Canada and UK between men and women. That&#039;s why I&#039;m scared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Crowder was saying that Americans THINK that you get free drugs in Canada, but drugs are not part of the single-payer system in Canada at all. I think they are in the NHS, and there people are regularly denied expensive drugs, even if they have paid into the system much more than other people.</p>
<p>This is the part that scared me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Men of a certain age (in Ontario and British Columbia) have to pay out of pocket for a PSA test (prostate), while women get free PAP smears and mammograms (hey, no gender bias here — wink, wink).
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<p>Obama is in the tank for his special interests. We have a billion-dollar Violence Against Women Act, and NO violence against men act. Even though the rates of domestic violence are about equal in government studies conducted in Canada and UK between men and women. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m scared.</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that this would be more accurate! By the way, thanks so much for sharing your experiences with my readers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that this would be more accurate! By the way, thanks so much for sharing your experiences with my readers!</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought: Many lefties such as Michael Moore like to spout off about Canada&#039;s higher life expectancy. It&#039;s true that the numbers say that we live, on average, a few years longer. But I don&#039;t think the figures take into account that Americans have a higher per capita murder rate (lots of young men, especially young black men, killing each other). I don&#039;t have the stats at hand, but I do recall reading this somewhere (actually in more than one article).

I wonder if you factor out murders on both sides of the border just how our Canadian life expectancy would stack up? Wouldn&#039;t that be a more accurate way to compare Canadian and American health care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought: Many lefties such as Michael Moore like to spout off about Canada&#8217;s higher life expectancy. It&#8217;s true that the numbers say that we live, on average, a few years longer. But I don&#8217;t think the figures take into account that Americans have a higher per capita murder rate (lots of young men, especially young black men, killing each other). I don&#8217;t have the stats at hand, but I do recall reading this somewhere (actually in more than one article).</p>
<p>I wonder if you factor out murders on both sides of the border just how our Canadian life expectancy would stack up? Wouldn&#8217;t that be a more accurate way to compare Canadian and American health care?</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple points:

I think at the beginning of the video Steve said that we (Canadians) get &quot;free&quot; drugs as part of our health care. Maybe those on welfare do, I don&#039;t. Many people have a drug plan through work -- I&#039;m self-employed (and poor) so if I need drugs, I pay for them. Luckily I&#039;m healthy.

Also, he mentioned about paying tax on top of tax. Maybe that&#039;s how they do it in Quebec, but most other provinces -- no. In Ontario (where I live) both the GST (federal tax of 5%) and the PST (provincial sales tax of 8%) are applied to the subtotal -- eg. $100 sale, add $5 GST and $8 PST = $113. Some provinces have a harmonized tax, Alberta has GST ONLY.

Now, one exception: we do pay tax on tax when buying booze. With alcohol there&#039;s lots of tax already built into the price, and then we pay more at the checkout. Liquor prices are outrageous here compared to the States. (And, until now, we&#039;ve had a lot more reason to drink.)

And finally Canadian health care...well, pretty much the same across Canada. And in spite of all the taxes that are paid to prop up our failing health care system, not everything is &quot;free&quot;. Men of a certain age (in Ontario and British Columbia) have to pay out of pocket for a PSA test (prostate), while women get free PAP smears and mammograms (hey, no gender bias here -- wink, wink).

My dad had a hip replacement a few years ago -- he waited (in pain) for 9 or 10 months. My husband suffered chronic illness starting in his late 20s until his mid to late 30s -- medical care here was USELESS! He came home from one hospital visit with dysentery -- it took him a long time to recover from that.

About 7 years ago, hubby broke his right hand/arm at the wrist (very nasty break) -- excellent emergency care, no waiting. They put him on a guerney right away and drugged him up until the doctor could set his arm and put a cast on it. He needed one operation (pins had to be put in) and a year of therapy to be able to use his right hand again.

About 9 years ago, I injured my eye (no permanent damage thankfully) -- and got immediate emergency room service -- no waiting (and the waiting room was full). They didn&#039;t even stop to get my health card info -- they just started working on me right away.

I used to say our health care system was great for emergencies, but lousy when it came to treating chronic health problems.

HOWEVER: That&#039;s all changed. I&#039;m not sure any more how well emergencies are being handled. Recently (within the last few years) in my city, they closed the emergency departments of all hospitals except one. WTF??? I really can&#039;t figure that out.

Also, if you don&#039;t have a family doctor, you&#039;re essentially screwed. In my city, there are no doctors taking on new patients. If you&#039;re unhappy with your current doctor, tough -- you can&#039;t opt to see another. You&#039;ll have to use a clinic. Some doctors refuse to take on patients who are too unhealthy -- that&#039;s right, they don&#039;t want any sickly patients -- too much work! You have to not need a doctor to be considered good patient material. Some communities hold lotteries: winner gets a family doctor.

And the wait times...To see my family doctor for a non-emergency item (checkup/PAP, etc.), I have to book it two months ahead. If my health concerns should require a specialist -- who knows how long -- anywhere from a few months to several months. Blood/cholesterol and other tests have to be ordered by your doctor (or a doctor at a clinic). Your doc gives you a form with the particular tests checked off. You go to one of the three or four testing facilities in the city during their regular business hours (no weekends) -- get there early, no appointments, you take a number and wait. Exceptions: special tests like a colonoscopy has to be scheduled (for obvious reasons).

I used to feel somewhat secure that worst case scenario if I needed an operation or specialized treatment, and time was a deciding factor for my recovery, I could always head to the States and pay for it out of pocket -- it might mean selling the house, but I&#039;d rather be alive. Now with Obamacare on its way, we won&#039;t have that option. You Americans are about to find out what&#039;s it like to have health care freedom taken away from you. I am so sorry.

Oh, and the woman in the video who mentioned pet care? She was bang on! In Canada, pets get the absolute best medical care -- because their owners pay for it. If your pet needs an MRI -- no problem and no wait. If you need an MRI -- forget about it.

(P.S. Sorry my comment was so long; I had a lot to get off my chest.)

And thanks, Steven, for the great video!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple points:</p>
<p>I think at the beginning of the video Steve said that we (Canadians) get &#8220;free&#8221; drugs as part of our health care. Maybe those on welfare do, I don&#8217;t. Many people have a drug plan through work &#8212; I&#8217;m self-employed (and poor) so if I need drugs, I pay for them. Luckily I&#8217;m healthy.</p>
<p>Also, he mentioned about paying tax on top of tax. Maybe that&#8217;s how they do it in Quebec, but most other provinces &#8212; no. In Ontario (where I live) both the GST (federal tax of 5%) and the PST (provincial sales tax of 8%) are applied to the subtotal &#8212; eg. $100 sale, add $5 GST and $8 PST = $113. Some provinces have a harmonized tax, Alberta has GST ONLY.</p>
<p>Now, one exception: we do pay tax on tax when buying booze. With alcohol there&#8217;s lots of tax already built into the price, and then we pay more at the checkout. Liquor prices are outrageous here compared to the States. (And, until now, we&#8217;ve had a lot more reason to drink.)</p>
<p>And finally Canadian health care&#8230;well, pretty much the same across Canada. And in spite of all the taxes that are paid to prop up our failing health care system, not everything is &#8220;free&#8221;. Men of a certain age (in Ontario and British Columbia) have to pay out of pocket for a PSA test (prostate), while women get free PAP smears and mammograms (hey, no gender bias here &#8212; wink, wink).</p>
<p>My dad had a hip replacement a few years ago &#8212; he waited (in pain) for 9 or 10 months. My husband suffered chronic illness starting in his late 20s until his mid to late 30s &#8212; medical care here was USELESS! He came home from one hospital visit with dysentery &#8212; it took him a long time to recover from that.</p>
<p>About 7 years ago, hubby broke his right hand/arm at the wrist (very nasty break) &#8212; excellent emergency care, no waiting. They put him on a guerney right away and drugged him up until the doctor could set his arm and put a cast on it. He needed one operation (pins had to be put in) and a year of therapy to be able to use his right hand again.</p>
<p>About 9 years ago, I injured my eye (no permanent damage thankfully) &#8212; and got immediate emergency room service &#8212; no waiting (and the waiting room was full). They didn&#8217;t even stop to get my health card info &#8212; they just started working on me right away.</p>
<p>I used to say our health care system was great for emergencies, but lousy when it came to treating chronic health problems.</p>
<p>HOWEVER: That&#8217;s all changed. I&#8217;m not sure any more how well emergencies are being handled. Recently (within the last few years) in my city, they closed the emergency departments of all hospitals except one. WTF??? I really can&#8217;t figure that out.</p>
<p>Also, if you don&#8217;t have a family doctor, you&#8217;re essentially screwed. In my city, there are no doctors taking on new patients. If you&#8217;re unhappy with your current doctor, tough &#8212; you can&#8217;t opt to see another. You&#8217;ll have to use a clinic. Some doctors refuse to take on patients who are too unhealthy &#8212; that&#8217;s right, they don&#8217;t want any sickly patients &#8212; too much work! You have to not need a doctor to be considered good patient material. Some communities hold lotteries: winner gets a family doctor.</p>
<p>And the wait times&#8230;To see my family doctor for a non-emergency item (checkup/PAP, etc.), I have to book it two months ahead. If my health concerns should require a specialist &#8212; who knows how long &#8212; anywhere from a few months to several months. Blood/cholesterol and other tests have to be ordered by your doctor (or a doctor at a clinic). Your doc gives you a form with the particular tests checked off. You go to one of the three or four testing facilities in the city during their regular business hours (no weekends) &#8212; get there early, no appointments, you take a number and wait. Exceptions: special tests like a colonoscopy has to be scheduled (for obvious reasons).</p>
<p>I used to feel somewhat secure that worst case scenario if I needed an operation or specialized treatment, and time was a deciding factor for my recovery, I could always head to the States and pay for it out of pocket &#8212; it might mean selling the house, but I&#8217;d rather be alive. Now with Obamacare on its way, we won&#8217;t have that option. You Americans are about to find out what&#8217;s it like to have health care freedom taken away from you. I am so sorry.</p>
<p>Oh, and the woman in the video who mentioned pet care? She was bang on! In Canada, pets get the absolute best medical care &#8212; because their owners pay for it. If your pet needs an MRI &#8212; no problem and no wait. If you need an MRI &#8212; forget about it.</p>
<p>(P.S. Sorry my comment was so long; I had a lot to get off my chest.)</p>
<p>And thanks, Steven, for the great video!</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that Liberal turncoat MP Belinda Stronach &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070914/belinda_Stronach_070914/20070914&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;flew to California&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to get her breast cancer treatment, but the rest of you can wait in line when you need something. When will people learn what communism means? Poverty for the masses, while the elites get special privileges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that Liberal turncoat MP Belinda Stronach <a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070914/belinda_Stronach_070914/20070914" rel="nofollow"><b>flew to California</b></a> to get her breast cancer treatment, but the rest of you can wait in line when you need something. When will people learn what communism means? Poverty for the masses, while the elites get special privileges.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the irony of Socialized Medicine, the left wing socialist allow the rich and elites
to pay for elective surgery i.e. plastic surgery, dental surgery, and other speciality health services but the self same leftards deny the unwashed masses the right to pay for life saving surgery. 

Thus the rich and elites can pay for anything as long as it&#039;s deemed &quot;Elective&quot; but I can&#039;t pay a private clinic to save my life in Canada. Welcome to Canada where te Modern Left (Obama is one of them) force the majority to bend to their twisted upside down loopy logic. The rich die looking good, the unwashed massed die without perfect teeth or skin and large boobs of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the irony of Socialized Medicine, the left wing socialist allow the rich and elites<br />
to pay for elective surgery i.e. plastic surgery, dental surgery, and other speciality health services but the self same leftards deny the unwashed masses the right to pay for life saving surgery. </p>
<p>Thus the rich and elites can pay for anything as long as it&#8217;s deemed &#8220;Elective&#8221; but I can&#8217;t pay a private clinic to save my life in Canada. Welcome to Canada where te Modern Left (Obama is one of them) force the majority to bend to their twisted upside down loopy logic. The rich die looking good, the unwashed massed die without perfect teeth or skin and large boobs of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, don&#039;t be unhappy with me, but I don&#039;t think that the government runs life insurance. It is actually ok for companies to charge a premium commensurate with the risks of each individual. The problem with government-run health care is that the costs are apportioned by income, not by risk, so that people can act irresponsibly and someone else may end up paying. Costs skyrocket and shortages ensue because those using the services don&#039;t pay, those paying stop working, and there is no incentive to live a healthy lifestyle. The inevitable result is rationing of health care, with decisions being made by the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, don&#8217;t be unhappy with me, but I don&#8217;t think that the government runs life insurance. It is actually ok for companies to charge a premium commensurate with the risks of each individual. The problem with government-run health care is that the costs are apportioned by income, not by risk, so that people can act irresponsibly and someone else may end up paying. Costs skyrocket and shortages ensue because those using the services don&#8217;t pay, those paying stop working, and there is no incentive to live a healthy lifestyle. The inevitable result is rationing of health care, with decisions being made by the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Vio Moix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vio Moix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless you for exposing the dark side of health care poor Canadians are given... Just got back from attending a wedding in Windsor and one of the guests at our table shared the fact that she had an annual check up from Life Insurance and because she was 20 lb. over the weight limit they asked her to either lose them or get a $30.00/month fine/ increase her premium... WOW! I was shocked. I still am...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you for exposing the dark side of health care poor Canadians are given&#8230; Just got back from attending a wedding in Windsor and one of the guests at our table shared the fact that she had an annual check up from Life Insurance and because she was 20 lb. over the weight limit they asked her to either lose them or get a $30.00/month fine/ increase her premium&#8230; WOW! I was shocked. I still am&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wintery Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To control people. Nationalized health care means you pay money into Obama&#039;s pocket involuntarily, based on how much you earn, and then Obama rations out health care to all the people who voted for him, based on whether they are his favored special interests. Forgive me for being crass, pastor, but in Ontario, the gay health minister &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/05/16/sex-change.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ensures that Christian families provide taxpayer funded sex changes&lt;/a&gt; for his favored special interest group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To control people. Nationalized health care means you pay money into Obama&#8217;s pocket involuntarily, based on how much you earn, and then Obama rations out health care to all the people who voted for him, based on whether they are his favored special interests. Forgive me for being crass, pastor, but in Ontario, the gay health minister <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/05/16/sex-change.html" rel="nofollow">ensures that Christian families provide taxpayer funded sex changes</a> for his favored special interest group.</p>
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		<title>By: kreitsauce</title>
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		<dc:creator>kreitsauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is awful! Why in the world would Obama or anyone even consider nationalized health care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is awful! Why in the world would Obama or anyone even consider nationalized health care?</p>
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