Wintery Knight

…integrating Christian faith and knowledge in the public square

Can prayer, Bible reading, church-singing and charismatic preaching stop Katy Perry’s apostasy?

I received an e-mail from a woman who was telling me to drop my list of 10 worldview questions and just look for a wife who reads the Bible and has feelings about Jesus.

She wrote:

My suggestion to you is to consider a top-down approach.  Just pray for God to send you your wife and pray that you recognize her immediately.  You don’t seem like you really want to remain single…and your children are missing out on having you as their dad.  Marriage is for children, remember?  I know several young ladies who know their Scripture and who love Jesus but who, I don’t think, would pass your test because, in my perception, they aren’t cerebral enough.

I get this e-mail a lot, especially from women who have married non-Christians or who are divorced. Now the whole point of the list of 10 questions is to detect women who are not going to help me to produce effective, influential Christian children. If I am going to spend north of $100,000 per child + tuition, then I expect to get some sort of return on that investment for God. That money doesn’t earn itself, and it needs to be well-spent serving God.

It’s my wife’s job to help me to do that. My goal in choosing a wife is to find a helper to make the relationship serve God. Otherwise, it’s better for God if I give that money that I worked very hard to earn directly to effective Christian scholars. I don’t have money to burn “playing house” with someone who is guided by her feelings. I can just give the money to Reasonable Faith or Discovery Institute instead.

Let’s take a look at two parents who aimed at nothing and hit it with their daughter. The two parents run a ministry that is based around passionate preaching, prayer and Bible verses.

Excerpt:

The Lord spoke to Arise International Conference host Mary Hudson to encourage women to reach their full destiny in Jesus Christ. He wants women to rise up as trailblazers, to think outside the box and be bold in Him, of course putting God first, your husband second and then your family!

Mary’s ministry of Arise! International holds annual women’s empowerment and leadership conferences in Hawaii, Belgium, Colombia, France, Switzerland, Denmark and the USA. The river of glory is rising and we must flow with it.

2012 promises to be a break-through year to Arise! in who you are in Christ. Lean on Him for direction, don’t look to man. Knowing the signs of the times and hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit will be vital to being at the right place at the right time to reap the harvest of souls coming into the Kingdom.

Pray about being a part of Arise! this coming year. It just may be the meeting that propels you into the next level for your life. Remember, you are equipped with everything you need to fulfill your purpose. God’s assignments reveal your abilities and your capabilities, and He will provide both the potential and the provision to meet every assignment.

We call you blessed and highly favored!

I noticed that their “book store” offers nonsense books like this:

Keith Hudson “Looking and Seeing”:

Like this disciplined athlete, you need to learn how to look beyond your present situation and keep your eye on His Presence. God is ready to display His glory in your life as well in these last days, but it is going to take boldness for you to take the mask off and look at people and situations the way God sees them, not how man looks at them. What may stand in front of you may look too big for you to grasp; that what you see now is the way it’s always going to be. Or you look at the dream God has given you and think, “there is no way I can ever accomplish this with my resources at my age…” That is the moment you have to flip the switch from looking to seeing.

Mary Hudson “Smart Bombs”:

Smart Bombs is a book which will show you practically and with true life examples how to take God’s Word and let it explode strongholds in your life. When you read the Bible, He quickens particular passages or verses to your heart. You know it is God talking to you about your situation. Or when you receive a prophetic word, you sense in your heart this is speaking to you. But what do you do with these words when they bear witness with you? Let them fade away and disappear off of your memory? No, Smart Bombs shows you how to go on the offense with the anointed word of God, how to demolish strongholds and take back everything the enemy has stolen from you.

This easy read is a must for anyone who is looking for clarity on their destiny.

Keith Hudson “The Cry”:

The Cry will reignite you with new fire. Christians lose their passion when they let go of their zeal for God. We come into prayer meetings and we are so polished and perfected. But the Lord wants to hear the cry of your heart. The church has lost its cry: God is about to restore it. Why did the thirty people gathered for the Azusa Street revival have such a move of the spirit of God in their day? Because they had a cry in their hearts and in their prayers. The Cry will release a desperate longing in you for Gods intervention in your life. It goes way beyond your natural thinking into a spiritual hunger from your innermost being. When everything else has failed, a desperate cry touches the heart of God.

Now do you think that someone who reads books like that will produce the same kind of children as parents who read William Lane Craig, Stephen C. Meyer, Jay Richards, Michael Licona and Nancy Pearcey? Of course not. Because the Hudson books are fluff and the books by real Christian scholars are not fluff.

Now let’s read an article from Christian Post about what sort of child the fluff approach produces. (H/T Mysterious Chris S.)

Excerpt:

Katy Perry, the 29-year-old singer and songwriter, is revealing that while she prays she no longer identifies with Christianity.

“I don’t believe in a heaven or a hell, or an old man sitting on a throne. I believe in a higher power bigger than me because that keeps me accountable,” she told Marie Claire magazine recently. “Accountability is rare to find, especially with people like myself, because nobody wants to tell you something you don’t want to hear.”

Perry, who took the Billboard charts by storm with her hit song “I Kissed a Girl” in 2008, told Marie Claire that she no longer considers herself a Christian despite being raised by Christian ministers.

“I’m not Buddhist, I’m not Hindu, I’m not Christian, but I still feel like I have a deep connection with God. I pray all the time – for self-control, for humility,” she told Marie Claire. “There’s a lot of gratitude in it. Just saying ‘thank you’ sometimes is better than asking for things.”

Despite her decision to perform music that may seem controversial to the Christian community, the chart-topping singer has never shied away from crediting the Christian church for giving her a start as a performer.

“The atmosphere I grew up in was 100 percent Christian,” Perry said her “Part of Me: 3D” movie which was released last year. “I started singing in the church, I never really had another plan.”

Their daughter is writing songs to promote homosexuality to young people. That’s their legacy. The legacy of spiritual gifts, God opening doors of mysticism and charismatic anti-intellectualism. That’s what they are going to present to God as their spiritual legacy. I noticed that Mary Hudson is now calling her daughter’s celebrity divorce after one year of marriage a “gift from God”. Her daughter married a heroin-addicted leftist non-Christian – but he was hawt. Tall, dark, handsome and a famous comedian, too.

The list of questions I use when courting helps me to avoid marrying a woman like Katy Perry’s mother. She could not answer any of my questions. None of them. And what’s more, she doesn’t want to answer them. She wants to live her whole life without learning how to answer them. She wants to stick with her Bible, her singing, her feelings, her passionate oratory and her crowds of gullible people. I will not marry a woman like that. It produces disaster and failure. It produces anti-Christian children.

In fact, you can’t succeed at anything worthwhile in life using the Keith and Mary Hudson approach to parenting. You can’t do a thing with that approach. Not writing software, not fixing cars, not making investments, not sending a rocket to the moon, not even evangelizing an apostate daughter. You do not want to be a Christian man who pumps 30 years of hard labor into a family that produces apostate children. If you are going to spend the money, then make sure you get the results.

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34 Responses

  1. Will S. says:

    Excellent. Katy Perry is indeed a testimony to the failure of her parents; as is Miley Cyrus.

    As for the woman who emailed you:

    “Marriage is for children, remember?”

    She’s wrong. Marriage is for companionship.

    Genesis 2:18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

    Nothing is there about children. They’re simply a result of physical union, but marriages in which one or more spouses are infertile, whether due to problems, or simply advanced age, are no less valid as marriages.

    The whole idea that marriages are for children is wrong, and needs to be combatted.

    Also, Paul explained in I Corinthians 7 that it is legitimate for people to choose, as he did, to remain single. There is no commandment to marry, binding on all. Singlehood is a legitimate choice.

  2. Jennifer says:

    Excellent, both Knight and Will. Katy’s lost a lot of her ground and Miley’s just a walking, twerking disaster of petty proportions.

    • I mean, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that anti-intellectual Christianity is to blame for this in part. Not just the no apologetics, but the highly spiritualized view of religion being something private and emotional rather than logical and evidential. Is it about emotions and mysticism, or is it about evidence and truth? I think that people screw up their kids with this intuition and feelings view of Christianity. This approach of “I feel like God is opening a door to the magic Easter egg of health and wealth” = apostate kids. It’s that simple.

      • WorldGoneCrazy says:

        That’s it, for sure, WK. This touchy-feely religion does not seem to bear any resemblance whatsoever to the Christianity of the Gospels, Acts, and early church. In fact, it more closely resembles the paganism that Paul preached against.

      • Jennifer says:

        I’d say you’ve got it.

  3. WorldGoneCrazy says:

    Really good article, WK. I agree with the excellent analysis. I wish to add several points:

    1. The “fiery preaching” of Arise does not seem to include the fires of Hell. Let’s not get the two types of preaching mixed up.

    2. Katy Perry IS accountable to a “higher power” – just not the One that authentic Christians are accountable to.

    3. Don’t automatically underestimate women who know their Scripture. It’s HOW they know their Scripture that counts. Are they reading the Bible to get good feelings from it or are they reading their Bible to find out what their Creator has to say? Are they feeling good after they read their Bible, or are they feeling convicted? There are lots of women reading their Bible correctly, being convicted by it, who love the factual-historical-Savior Jesus of the Bible (not abortion “jesus” or gay marriage “jesus” or wealth-redistribution “jesus”), who might not score great on your exam but would be willing to put the effort in to improve her score.

    Three questions I would ask them, in addition to the ones on your list, are:

    a. Who is the Jesus Who saved you?
    b. What did He save you from?
    c. Who is your favorite preacher?

    If they were familiar with some of the great, truly fiery, preachers of the past (Jonathan Edwards should be high on their list), that might at least partially offset a few bad scores on the rest of your exam. (If they list any preacher in the last 100 years, end the interview. :-))

    Also, I would ask them how many of the Ten Commandments they have personally broken – with explanation – and then just sit back and listen without interruption. That will tell you much of what you need to know. :-)

  4. I think most women don’t like logic. None of my female Christian friends like hearing me talk about Christian apologetics. None. Most guys my age don’t even know what apologetics mean.

    Just last night my friend and I had a debate over testimony and while I said testimony is important, it is not essential for evangelizing. It ended with her getting upset at me and saying, “Not everything is about logic! You’re too logical and being a Christian isn’t just about logic. You need more feelings!”

    While she was partially correct, that being a Christian isn’t just about logic because God wouldn’t be God if we could explain Him through and through; She was also wrong because feelings and testimony are dependent on the individual and can’t be used as evidence for empirical truth. She once told me that if she had children and they converted to Buddhism or Islam she wouldn’t tell them that they’re wrong if they truly felt convicted about it.

    This is the fallacy within anti-intellectual Christianity, it basically leaves room for relativism without Christians even knowing it. God is true; Jesus is true whether somebody feels the presence of God or not.

    • Yeah, this focus on sincerity and feelings scares the snot out of me. If I am working over money for 30 years to have a wife and kids, then I expect that wife to fight every moment of every day to make sure those kids not only stay Christian, but achieve great things for the Lord. I don’t want to hear a pack of excuses about open doors and closed doors and prayers and feelings. I want her to be right in there doing their math homework with them. Results, not excuses. Or else I’ll write a check to Reasonable Faith for $250,000 and be done with it.

    • Chris Huston says:

      I think “most women” is somewhat subjective. Many of my women friends tend toward the educated/intellectual side and appreciate logic. But you are right, in general — women tend to be more feelings-driven/nurturing, while men tend to be more logical/protective. There’s a place for both when applied with wisdom.

      I will venture to suggest, though, that your friend is wrong, as far as I know, in “need[ing] more feelings” to be a healthy, effective Christian. Compassion, love — these aren’t feelings anyway. Feelings are often more deceptive and dangerous than they are helpful. Her emotional outburst sounds more like she has no sound way of refuting your position.

      It sounds to me like you’re doing okay, lovelyleblanc7.

      • Chris Huston,
        Thank You. I agree. While I tend to be more logical driven than feeling-driven, I wouldn’t say I’m absent of nurturing. I want to be a nurse-midwife and I spend my volunteer hours at a nursing home. A woman can be nurturing but also more logical in nature than emotional.
        I think you are absolutely correct when you mentioned that there is a place for both; both are needed and one or the other cannot be neglected.
        “Feelings are often more deceptive and dangerous than they are helpful.”
        Reminded me of these verses: “He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But he who walks wisely will be delivered.” (Proverbs 28:26) and “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.” (Matthew 15:19)

        • Chris Huston says:

          Great verses, lovely! Along with Jeremiah 17:9 — The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?

    • damoksta says:

      This is where I partly agree with your female companions. To quote Ravi Zacharias: we need an apologetic that is not only argued for, but that can be seen and felt. The power of the Christian worldview is not only because it is seen, but also because Jesus himself described it in strong emotional terms: “coming to give life”, “proclaim freedom”, “giving sight to the blind”, “set the oppressed free”. What makes Christianity great (and true) is that it is not only true (“relates to reality”), but also coherent (“everything ties together”). Also, there is nothing wrong with saying “apologetics need more feeling” – to say that you need emotions in your argument is distinct from saying “emotions is the arbiter of truth” a.k.a. “emotionalism”. In fact, CS Lewis/Alistair McGrath’s “homecoming” argument relies precisely on the emotional longing of the individual.

      • I don’t like the approach of Ravi, C.S. Lewis and especially not McGrath.

        • damoksta says:

          The apologetics tent is pitched big enough for many schools (classical, presupposition, historical) to exist and co-mingle where need be – end of the day, didn’t Paul’s apologia in Acts 26 blend history, emotion and culture with theology and philosophy?.

          Having moonlighted at a university outfit as a amateur apologist, I find that the Classical apologetics isn’t all that effective outside of STEM fields (even within STEM only engineers tend to react well to Classical arguments) due to the decline in linear argumentation in an existentialist culture – this is before we even go into the the difference in mindset between males and females and cross-cultural apologetic. Historical and cultural apologetic however is of great interest to everyone and far easier to pick up – especially females because it is that much easier to relate to.

          What I am saying is, if you want people to start learning apologetic, introducing them to William Lane Craig or Greg Koukl in most cases aren’t going to help – it’s a bit like learning how to drive an M1 Abrams when you don’t have a driver’s licence for a normal car. But introducing them to Ravi Zacharias, John Lennox, Michael Ramsden etc who can help them link their heart to their head first, will go a long way in producing Christians who can reason well… and feel well. The answer to emotionalism in Christianity isn’t intellectualism, it is that fine-tuned balance between a true answer that is felt, and emotions that is affected and controlled by the truth. (This, once again, is a paraphrase from Ravi’s talk in the Influencer’s conference in Australia)

          • I don’t think that appealing to emotions is Biblical. Not only is it not Biblical, but it doesn’t work to convince anyone that propositions are true or false. Christianity is a religion that is concerned with testable truth claims. Telling someone something that makes them feel a certain way has nothing to do with Christianity. Like it or not, Christianity is a STEM religion. Other religions are the ones that appeal to emotions and tell stories that sound nice and appeal to burning bosoms.

  5. Chris Huston says:

    Perry’s comments smack of willful ignorance. She attacks Christianity with the straw man of “an old man sitting on a throne” (i.e. this is NOT the Christian God), and then still claim a “deep connection” with God. Which/What God? The unknowable “God” so many want to adhere to (i.e. “Who is to say which God is right or if we can even know Who he/she/it is for sure?”) offers them exactly the opposite of what Perry claims to preserve: accountability. Any God that would not make himself known or knowable would be unjust in allowing us to die in our failure.

  6. Bam! You smoked ‘em with this one, Wintery. Great article!

    And yeah, most women hate logic. When people say there’re lots of great female philosophers, notice how Eleanore Stump and um, a couple of others are always on the very short list.

    • Well, I think most women can learn to like logic, the same way that men can learn to love being productive instead of lazy. But it’s not natural. Both sexes have things that they have to recognize are wrong and give them up.

  7. J.W. Wartick says:

    Interesting take in this article, WK. I wonder about this line: “The legacy of spiritual gifts, God opening doors of mysticism and charismatic anti-intellectualism.”

    Is this line intended to condemn the conjunction of these terms, or merely saying that any of these individually necessarily is a bad thing?

    What would you say about those who hold that spiritual gifts do continue… like Craig Keener and Sam Storms, for instance? These fellows are hardly anti-intellectual, but they are certainly advocates of spiritual gifts, charismata, and (depending on your definition) mysticism. I’m just curious about what your thoughts are regarding this specific statement in your post.

    • I am targeting the model of decision making that relies on this strange spiritual hotline to God. I favor the wisdom model of decision-making.

      I guess in general, I am suspicious of spiritual weirdness and mysticism of any kind. It’s my personal opinion. This is an opinion post. I just don’t like it.

  8. burningsodium says:

    Wintery, your attitude does not seem to afford the Bible its proper level of respect. The Bible gives itself much higher praise than you are willing. It is quick and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow, a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. The problem with charismatics is not the Bible. Their problem is that they abandon the Bible as their main authority. Apparently, Katy Perry’s mother is a preacher, but the Bible says that women are to remain silent in the church.

    • Well using the Bible to deal with a specific threat, Darwinian evolution.

      When my children come home from school and ask about the evolution, the solution is not for my wife to pray and use “smart bombs” to get back what the Devil stole from them. That’s the idea of a lunatic. The solution is for my wife to have a college degree in a STEM field, a few years of experience in the private sector, and be reading books on the sciences by people like Stephen C. Meyer. She is not going to be able to pray our kids out of evolution, nor equip them with “anointed Scripture” to deal with Darwinism in the classroom. The Bible says things about nature, and the way to defend what the Bible says about nature is NOT by praying and having feelings and intuitions about open doors and signs and “smart bombs” and “the cry”. The way to defeat Darwinism, (for example), is by engaging our minds as Christian parents and taking responsibility to educate our children using the normal, reliable methods we use for everything else in life: reason and evidence. The right way to DO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS (raise Christian kids) is by aiming for truth and knowledge in everything we do.

      So it’s not that the Bible is bad in any way, it’s that more work is needed in order to hold to what the Bible teaches. When you get to specific challenges, you see the need to have more knowledge of things like economics or science in order to have a Biblical worldview and achieve goals that are consistent with what the Bible teaches.

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  10. What role do you think emotions play in the Christian life?

    • Me personally? I would say they play no role in determining truth or gaining knowledge. I would say that I feel things as a result of actions I perform. For example, when I mentor a Christian woman who is fatherless, I have an overwhelming feeling of father-love for her and it is incredible. When I stand up to a secularist in my workplace, I get back to my desk and watch the sweat drip off my face onto my desk while I shake in fear. So there are emotions in the Christian life. I think that emotions that are related to follow-Jesus activities like mentoring, taking bold stands and participating in debates are more authentic than the emotions that people feel at a rock concert when they sing songs about things that they don’t even know are true just because they like the words.

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  12. Alien & Stranger says:

    WK, while I agree that “feel-good Gospel” preaching can be a problem, at the root of the problem is the wayward human heart, and whether Katy Perry actually ever really knew the Lord is a moot point.
    For the first ten years after I came to know the Lord (given that I was also learning, and the Lord was dealing with my “baggage”), I did everything I could to try to prepare my sons, but once they reached their mid-teens, they became resistant to any input from me. You can’t push teenagers – they’ll go in the opposite direction. Although I tried not to be pushy, it seems they still regarded me as such. Their having an atheist father didn’t help, of course. One son, who at the time was reading the Bible and Christian books, including apologetics, became completely apostate (anti-theist) after leaving home, espousing worldly values, while the other two (now in their late 20s) are essentially once-a-week churchgoers (I’m thankful that at least they get a weekly message). For Christmas I gave each of these two the simple little book, “Know your Bible”, by Paul Kent, because neither of them are book-readers, let alone Bible readers. I got a negative response – no enthusiasm from them. A CD I once gave the more lukewarm son, of the Gospel of Luke, was never listened to. As far as he’s concerned, he’s saved and that’s it. I can assure you that is not what I taught him. I have prayed for my husband and sons for 23 years, and all I can do is keep on praying for them, for the Lord to work in their lives, and also for the Lord to sanctify my sons and prepare them to be the kind of men they need to be to be good and godly husbands and fathers. I want them to meet and marry women who know and love the Lord, but that kind of woman wants a man who also knows and loves the Lord. That is probably setting the bar too low, in your books. I also know that the Lord works in people’s lives in his timing (I was nearly 40 when he broke into my life – I’ve wished it happened sooner). You’re welcome to call me a failure as a Christian mother. I did my best and trusted the Lord. Until you have had children and teens (if you get there), understand that there are no guarantees that one’s children will not go off the rails, no matter how much faith one has, and how much prayer and input they have had, because an individual’s self-will and the condition of the heart are also factors.

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