Wintery Knight

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Gay manager at Cisco Systems gets Dr. Frank Turek fired

Dr. Mike Adams explains how a gay manager at Cisco Systems got Dr. Frank Turek fired for opposing same-sex marriage. Adams explains what happened in a letter addressed to the President of Cisco.

Excerpt:

I want to bring to your attention a recent decision made by your HR team that I think does not reflect your leadership of Cisco. Dr. Frank Turek was fired as a vendor for his political and religious views, even though those views were never mentioned or expressed during his work at Cisco.

[…]In 2008, Dr. Turek was hired by Cisco to design and conduct a leadership and teambuilding program for about fifty managers with your Remote Operations Services team. The program took about a year to conduct, during which he also conducted similar sessions for another business unit within Cisco. That training earned such high marks that in 2010 he was asked to design a similar program for about 200 managers within Global Technical Services. Ten separate eight-hour sessions were scheduled.

The morning after completing the seventh session earlier this year, a manager in that session —who was one of the better students in that class—phoned in a complaint. It had nothing to do with content of the course or how it was conducted. In fact, the manager commented that the course was “excellent” as did most who participated. His complaint regarded Dr. Turek’s political and religious views that were never mentioned during class, but that the manager learned by “googling” Dr. Turek after class.

The manager identified himself as gay and was upset that Dr. Turek had written this book providing evidence that maintaining our current marriage laws would be best for the country. Although the manager didn’t read the book, he said that the author’s view was inconsistent with “Cisco values” and could not be tolerated. (Dr. Turek is aware of this because he was in the room when his call came in.) The manager then contacted an experienced HR professional at Cisco who had Dr. Turek fired that day without ever speaking to him. The HR professional also commended the manager for “outing” Dr. Turek.

This firing had nothing to do with course content—the program earned very high marks from participants. It had nothing to do with budget constraints—the original contract was paid in full recently. A man was fired simply because of his personal political and religious beliefs—beliefs that are undoubtedly shared by thousands of your very large and diverse workforce.

Chastity vs sexual immorality

Let me tell you about the difference between chastity and sexual immorality. In my life, I have decided to be chaste, and what I have found is that there is a constant stream of negative judgments coming from the culture, the education system, and so forth disapproving of my decision to be chaste. But you will never see me trying to use the law to censor and coerce people who disagree with me. That is because I know that chastity is a virtue, and that chastity is necessary for a stable marriage – strictly on the peer-reviewed research.

No amount of disagreement from anti-chastity activists will make me feel bad about what I have decided to do, because I have the facts. I am not offended by incorrect views because it’s a factual question, and I’m right. And I also don’t want other people who disagree with me to celebrate my views, because they don’t hold my views. And I don’t mind that they disagree with me – my Christian worldview has a place for tolerance. Even God himself allows people to rebel against him – he doesn’t swoop down on sinners and demand obedience. He lets people decide for themselves. I want the right to voice my disagreement with others – I would not force anyone to agree with me and celebrate my views against their own will.

I think we can all see how sexual immorality is different from chastity. When people do something wrong that they know is wrong, they have a different response to being judged. Instead of ignoring the judgment as I do, they try to censor, coerce and overpower those who disagree with them. This can include the use of courts or even the use of force. The feeling of being offended is so strong for some sexually immoral people that any concerns about tolerating diverse opinions, or permitting disagreement goes out the window. Even to hear the words of disagreement is sometimes too much for a person in rebellion.

Consider this passage from Matthew 14:1-2:

1 At that time Herod the tetrarch heard the reports about Jesus,

2and he said to his attendants, “This is John the Baptist; he has risen from the dead! That is why miraculous powers are at work in him.”

3 Now Herod had arrested John and bound him and put him in prison because of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife,

4 for John had been saying to him: “It is not lawful for you to have her.”

5 Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of the people, because they considered John a prophet.

6 On Herod’s birthday the daughter of Herodias danced for the guests and pleased Herod so much

7 that he promised with an oath to give her whatever she asked.

8 Prompted by her mother, she said, “Give me here on a platter the head of John the Baptist.”

9 The king was distressed, but because of his oaths and his dinner guests, he ordered that her request be granted

10 and had John beheaded in the prison.

11 His head was brought in on a platter and given to the girl, who carried it to her mother.

12 John’s disciples came and took his body and buried it. Then they went and told Jesus.

Notice that this coercion can happen with all kinds of sexual immorality – in this case, incest. The desire to not be judged about the means of pursuing pleasure is strong. No one wants to hear about the potential harm they are causing. They just want to do it, and you just need to shut up and affirm them in their self-indulgence. Celebrate Anthony Weiner. Celebrate Bill Clinton. Celebrate Tiger Woods. Celebrate Elliot Spitzer. Celebrate Arnold Schwarzenegger. Celebrate John Edwards. OR ELSE. Very few people are brave enough to talk about the victims of this adult self-indulgence. And those who do will be taken under fire for it.

Same-sex marriage and coercion

And that leads me to the question that gay activists often ask supporters of traditional marriage: “how would allowing same-sex marriage hurt your marriage?”. And now we know the answer. Same-sex marriage would likely,  criminalize free speech that promotes traditional marriage over same-sex marriage, as it has in other countries with same-sex marriage, such as Canada. If you are a working husband, and you are responsible for a family, you will be under a constant threat of termination should your pro-marriage views become known to your colleagues and supervisors. Also, if you teach you children to favor traditional marriage, you may be persecuted by the state.

I would like to be able to provide for my family if I choose to marry, and I would like my children to favor traditional marriage over cohabitation, or any other arrangement, because traditional marriage is best for children who need a stable environment with two loving biological parents (if possible). But if it becomes the law that my view is “offensive” and “discriminatory”, then that would affect my marriage. Sometimes, I am very glad that I am not married, because getting married in a society that is offended by marriage takes a lot of courage. It seems to me that many Christians, especially the uninformed emotional ones who would rather read vampire fiction and Dan Brown than peer-reviewed research, prefer to redefine Christianity to mean “affirming destructive behavior so that you feel good and more people like you”.

Let Dr. Turek’s story be a lesson to all of you who prefer traditional marriage. Don’t allow your opinions on marriage to be linked to your true identity, because some sexually immoral people will try to separate you from your livelihood if they can. It’s no longer safe to express a preference for traditional marriage in this society. If you do it, you are taking chances. Just look at the vandalism and stalking of Prop 8 supporters. If you want children to grow up with a mother and a father in this society, then you are a marked target to those who put adult hedonism above the rights of children – including many Christians who enjoy singing and schmoozing in the church. Just this week I got an anguished e-mail from someone who blogs under his real name who is now in the cross-hairs for expressing his preference for traditional marriage in public.

Note: Comments to this post will be strictly filtered in accordance with legislation passed by the Obama administration limiting the free discussion of sexual morality, which many liberal Christians voted for in 2008.

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16 Responses

  1. Rumpole says:

    Best post I’ve read in a long time Wintery!

    • Thank you. Let me know if you think anything was too mean, my intention was to disagree, and not to make anyone feel bad. Frankly, I get coerced by Christians in the church too, when i try to bring in apologetics and stuff.

  2. […] would hurt them.  Here’s another example of how the radical LGBTQXX agenda can impact you: Gay manager at Cisco Systems gets Dr. Frank Turek fired.  He wasn’t fired for anything he said at work, but because one person was offended that […]

  3. This is indeed a travesty, and will be a part of my next post on how same-sex marriage and other state-sanctioning of homosexuality is harming many, many people.

  4. Mary says:

    Good post, WK. Very sobering.

  5. Rosa says:

    As Christians, we cannot deny our beliefs or we deny God. Mr. Turek has a right to his beliefs and Cisco was in error for firing him. The Gay Manager was the intolerant one in this scenario and should be fired for bringing such an issue into the workplace.

    I will NOT let the threat of a few deprive me of my right to free speech. If I do so, others will, too. Then, no one is combating the evil. Though I do not speak of my beliefs at work, I will speak of them outside of work. I will not be scared quiet. I will not be scared into denying my beliefs.

    It is better to die for your beliefs than live under the veil of false beliefs. If no one stand against evil, it will win.

    Can you imagine Jesus keeping his thoughts to himself because it went against the Jewish laws and would bring his death? Where would Christianity be today?

  6. arajrao says:

    > Instead of ignoring the judgment as I do, they try to censor, coerce and overpower those who disagree with them. This can include the use of courts or even the use of force.

    Exactly – instead of attempting a rebuttal, they try to silence you. I was surprised to find Douglas Laycock pointing this out multiple times a book that he edited, Same-Sex Marriage and Religious Liberty: Emerging Conflicts. (Laycock I believe supports SSM, but is also sympathetic to freedoms of religious folks.)

    What is funny is that Christians also unintentionally try to silence others. And this comes in the form of Christians saying:

    “Why are Christians so fixated on this one issue??? Aren’t there other problems in society also? Is this the only sin? Stop being so obsessed with this one thing!”

    I point out to them that actually quite often it is incidents like the Turek one or some snide remark on TV or something like the Andreas Gymnasium incident in Sweden that set us Christians going about discussing and defending ourselves. It begins with these issues where we are attacked in one form or another for our beliefs and so we talk about them.

    We do not simply go around looking to pick on one particular sin. If these kind of things naturally keep getting set off, then it is quite natural for us to discuss them.

    Thanks,
    ~ Raj

    • I agree. I think that no-fault divorce and cohabitation are a hundred times more dangerous to children’s well-being than same-sex marriage. SSM is more of a threat to religious liberty.

    • Marshall Art says:

      Why would Christian be fixated on this issue? Because unlike other sins, there is an agenda to change our laws, culture and traditions, not to mention the very definitions of words, to enable and legitimize this behavior. Such a thing impacts so much of our society, religious liberty being merely one area.

    • Volker says:

      …..even a lot of christians do not understand, that this is not a “individual freedom / equality” issue. This is strict a ‘special rights” issue.
      Cisco gives us another good example for this.
      Cisco makes up a tax premium for its employees so that gay couples in domestic partnerships are payed over married straight couples, which is estimated to be at about $1,000 per year. An extra $1,000, just for being openly homosexual ….equality?

  7. Marshall Art says:

    This post brings to mind the expression “Me thinks he doth protest too much.” I’ve found throughout my life that those who insist they not be judged, engage in behaviors that are traditionally condemned on some level. Those who most adhere to righteous living don’t live in fear of being judged, and might actually not be put out at all by it. Why should they? They do nothing (or very little) wrong.

  8. Volker says:

    ….the one thing that most people overlook:
    He got fired for defending the law!
    Federal and, in his case, State-law.
    It’s of course a law, that our current president won’t defend any more (even so he swore to do so…), but it is still THE LAW.
    So if your boss doesn’t like the law, you can get fired now for upholding / defending the law.
    ….and if your “boss” is the president and he “doesn’t like” a law of this country, will you get fired too?
    What if your “boss” changes his mind, like Clinton, who strongly opposed gay marriage when he signed DOMA into law but now supports gay marriage or Obama, who defended traditional marriage to win the office and now changed his mind to secure the support of the far left?
    ….so next time you vote for a law, a proposition or a president, you better get a permisssion slip from your boss ;-)
    ….by the way ….I do the same thing ….but “my boss” will never fire me, nor forsake me ….
    …and before you let them scare you with their SS methods to obey to their views or face the consequences ….a little something a very wise woman once told me:
    >People who put Economics above Morality are known as Prostitutes, Thieves and Drug dealers.<
    …..Christians are the strongest force / largest group in this country. It is up to us, to lead this country in the right direction. Let's not get scared because some bullies play hardball. We can handle it ….
    ….next time a pastor / church tells you NOT to get involved…walk out and find a different church. It's not a choice. It's our duty to get involved.

  9. […] Gay manager at Cisco Systems gets Dr. Frank Turek fired […]

  10. […] Gerente homosexual de Cisco Systems logra que despidan al Dr. Frank Turek […]

  11. […] not unusual for some extreme gay activists. I’ve blogged about things like before – e.g. – getting Frank Turek fired, forcing out Brendan Eich at Mozilla, expelling students from university,discriminating against […]

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